good example of government for special interest groups instead of the people ,which ayatolla obahma caters to, with what he doing for senior citizens ... making it harder for them to sursive.... taking 700 billion from medicare.. someone should ask him wouldnt it be easier to do the solution? like hitler did.. shove them in the oven

Obama is a joke..socialism is a failed experiment

Obama Promotes - unions, same sex marriage, abortion, big government, catastrophic spending, downsizing the military, government controlled healthcare

Obama Rejects - the Constitution of the United States, 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, small businessmen and women, individual responsibility.

If you want to be told what to do, how to do it, or you would rather simply be 'taken care of by others, then A. Vote for Obama, B. move to china, North Vietnam, etc

If you want to remain living in a country that promotes God, independence, and free will, then vote for Romney.

We know what we have with Obama.....willing to take a chance, and if Romney doesn't get the job done, bring in another......I know Obama can't get the job done!

All this venom towards Obama...makes one wonder where it truly comes from. And these empty cliff hanger statements about him being a socialist it wanting to limit our rights with zero in the way of proving them correct. Having strong feelings about something doesn't make it fact. People were once convinced the world was flat, so that means the world must be flat, right?

And @John- Keep your God out of my politics. That's not protecting my freedoms. That's you telling me how to live based on your own narrow religious pov.

...and what does Romney promote; tax breaks for wealthy "job creators" who aren't creating jobs even tho their wealth has increased dramatically, cutting programs to the poor cuz they're lazy and they don't create jobs even tho the average face of poverty doesn't fit that description, limiting the rights of gay Americans, limiting the rights of woman, creating anti-immigration policies, removing regulations on financial institutions, removing environmental regulations on industry, propping up bill oil, increasing defense spending, reducing spending on education...yeah, he's the man for change alright. In that, if you want to go back to the 1890s you could call that change. Seriously, how can you cut taxes, increase military spending and cut social programs and expect to reduce the deficit without expecting a large portion of America to be impacted negatively? How can you even expect the deficit to shrink under Romney when he has no real plan to do that? Talk about blind allegiance. You'll let your hate for Obama cloud who Mitt Romney really is?

Amend,

Venom towards Obama? Venom? Without getting to the "poor Barack", and what he inherited, let me start by saying BECAUSE this is a free country, Barack CHOSE to run For the Presidency of these United States. Nobody held a gun to his head. If he didn't want the job, then he should have declined the nomination. He started his Presidency with owning the Senate and the House, but ramrodded his healthcare program through...

As for God.....I DIDN'T make God an issue, and I am not ramming it down the throats of the Dems. They chose to make a statement removing it from their platform, then wet their finger and realized that the MAJORITY of the country, including over 50% of their contingent DIDN'T WANT THE CHANGE, they circumvented their own delegates and changed their platform..please note Amend, neither George W, nor me, was at the DNC --- so please don't blame us for that one!!!!!!

If you could read MY ABOVE POST, I am merely stating that this President has failed. He had 4 years to make a change, and failed. We are deeper into debt, he has failed to create jobs, he has failed to complete most of his PROMISES....the list is available ad nauseum....Obama WANTS to help others, that's nice. He openly admits he hasn't done the job. AGAIN, reading my post, you will see that I believe if Romney doesn't make significant changes, remove him as well! The fact of supporting a guy who TELLS us what we want to hear, but has failed to DO IT, I feel the is another need for CHANGE. My opinion, as I believe I am still allowed to have.

Bottom line, I don't trust Obama. He tells us what we want, yet he fails to do it, fails to be transparent, and I feel he has duped our system regarding his past. Amend, I would consider changing my perspective IF he would be transparent. I do business everyday, and most decisions I make aren't based on promises or opinion, it's based on TRUST......I DON'T TRUST OBAMA-----my opinion.

Finally....80% of the planet believes in a GOD......so who in this conversation is being "narrow"?

@Nazareth- Hindus don't believe in God. They have a polytheistic faith. They believe in many gods. That's a fundamental difference from believing in a singular God. So whose God do we believe in when we say "in God we trust"? What if my god is different then your's? There's no need or reason, in a pluralistic society, to focus so intensly on religion. Religion is a private matter, not a banner one waves, or an excuse one uses to alienate others who don't think the same way they do.

@Nazareth- you're over simplifying. Wars have been fought over opposite faiths thru out human history. So whose God is it? What if im Native American and have earth bound gods, or agnostic? How bout Scientology or the Mormon faith? And I'm guessing atheists are somehow considered less than and are negated since they have no faith. You know. Ayn Rand was an athiest. Just sayin'. Paul Ryan says he was greatly inspired by her.

@Nazareth- actually, it was John who first mentioned god when he said "if you want to remain living in a country that promotes God, independence, and free will then vote for Romney". My initial response was to that statement. I have no problem admiting that I don't know much about Rand, but the parts I have seen and read she sounds like an athiest. You can call her branch of atheistic thought Objectivism I suppose, but if you don't believe in god/gods, you're by definition an athiest. Perhaps a nihilist could be seen slightly differently, but one could argue that it also belongs under the atheism banner. I'm not sure why you made that comment about you dating an athiest. I don't recall making a statement judgmental about atheism or you personally. Oh, and you make it sound like atheism is contagious.

Amend, trying not to make this personal, but when nobody is around, I am guessing you enjoy arguing with yourself. As an "independent", you certainly have EXACT views of Obama. I am not here to sway your vote. I am merely stating the facts. The DNC chose to exclude "GOD" from it's platform, therefore, the only representative who promotes GOD is Romney. I find it interesting that Obama supporters such as yourself has a need to defend everything (including the absence of God), instead of attempting to defend the last 4 years.....but then again, you don't have to do that because you're an "Independent".....it's ok, based upon the non-transparency, lack of leadership, complete failure to deliver, un-American actions (bowing....promising soviets deals after elections...fighting and circumventing the Constitution...etc, etc, etc), I can see why you would cloak yourself an Independent. Having to defend this President on his actions is merely impossible! Maybe you should next defend his favorite color, or some other important issue affecting our nation. Just do it with those less educated, less informed population....like those from the Left who cannot answer anything without using "Bush" or "inherited" in their initial defense. It's a shame a man of this power can't take responsibility for ANYTHING, much like a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Ultimately, as with all lefties, we are here debating religion rather than the SUBJECT----Obama's incompetence!

@John- I'm not sure why you think I need to defend Obama. That wasn't the nature of our debate on this thread. Rather, we were discussing, at least I thought we were, the merits or lack there of, of Mitt Romney. He's the challenger. He's the one who has to prove he can do it better. In my mind, he hasn't done that. All he and his supporters have done is talk about how poorly they think Obama has performed, yet they offer no real information as to how they might do it differently. In fact, he's stated repeatedly that he would go back to more of the same thinking that got us here in the first place. I'm not impressed with that. I'm not impressed by empty rhetoric and cries of "socialist". Show me why he's the better candidate. You call Obama incompetent, but don't really delve into why. I'm certain a fair portion of that observation is subjective, but on the subject of the economy, I already stated that from my pov, as a small business person, we're in a slow but steady recovery. As for the convo on God, I already stated that god and politics don't mesh well, and I tried to explain why. Your reaction to that simply proves why it's a bad idea to mix the two.

Amend.....Great points .. Let these troglidites spout of all they want ..They rerally don't matter anymore..Romney's billionairre superpacs have deserted PA cause they know they'll get crushed here...The fact is there candidate is going to get crushed in Pa. and their votes won't matter at all..They can spout all their zutzi venom all they want Pa. is over for the Romney camp..They fled to the hills..lol..Bye , Bye billionairres!!!!!!!

It's true..Apparently Rove's superpac has left Pa. and I understand Obama's has also because they need to focus elsewhere with Pa. wrapped up..
What that means is that Romney has given up the state. That's absolutely great news!!! So my guess is that all of these Fox noise watchers can stop all the ridiculous ranting and go cry in their soup....It's over here!!

It's funny..The Republicans are losing in Pa. despite the fact that they passed voter ID to suppress the vote and have millions more, mostly in corporate money, to spend..Kudos for Pa. voters for their superior intellect..

@Nazareth- you said "all the polls are run with 'likely' voters, which includes those who will show up without an ID and be turned away". Why mention that in defense of the variables, unless you believe that the voter ID legislation will limit access to voters from the opposing party, thus giving your party the edge in the vote count and possible success in PA? I mean, that's what it makes me question at least.

@Nazareth- having you describe why you need an ID wasn't really my question, and the constitutionality of voter ID legislation is still up in the air. Rather, i was interested to hear why you assumed a fair number of democrats would be denied the right to vote, thus increasing the republicans chances. Too me, that doesn't speak to the need to fight in-person voter fraud at all. Instead, it sounds like political games meant to skew the math. Are you really of the belief that tens of thousands of people are going to fraudulently vote democrat this election, or are you just as happy to limit the voting rights of American citizens just so your party can have the edge?

middle class?tax the wealthy?voter id? there are haves and have nots, and free loaders to which ayatolla obahma will give plenty ,for their votes,professional drains on society... tax the wealthy.. sounds great hahaha the wealthy have very good people surrounding them,business lawyers,and very good accountants, hot air by a big phoney.. the polls are bogus to a big point.. talking to people all classes believe that is change must come what we have in office now is the bottom of the barrel he is horrible

@louis- actually, the wealthy got a tax break under the assumption that more jobs would be created and prosperity widened by doing so. That clearly hasn't happened. By logic, they should be recinded; not extended further, nor should greater tax breaks be offered. anyone who can't see that is either ignorant or blinded by their own bias.

Throughout this there is many mentions of God and Faith as in the
Christian beliefs, one point that has not been pointed out is that
every Christian religion protestant and catholic deemed Mormon
a cult and to this day it is a cult, now every republican wants to jump
in with him for whatever reason, mostly over womens choice or birth
control.