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Was it Right to Fire Paterno?

The Board of Trustees at Penn State have fired Spanier and Paterno for the "best interest of the university."

 

UPDATED Thursday 8 a.m.

The Penn State Board of Trustees announced at a press conference late tonight that Penn State President Graham Spanier and Head Football Coach Joe Paterno will be fired, effective immediately.

A statement released by the Board explains that the decisions were "in the best interest of the university."

This comes just a day after Paterno "retired" amid allegations of sex abuse against one of his former coaches, Jerry Sandusky.

 

Posted Wednesday, Nov. 9

According to the Associated Press, reported by Huffington Post, legendary Penn State Coach Joe Paterno will retire at the end of the football season, following the allegations of sex abuse against one of his former coaches, Jerry Sandusky.

Paterno released a statement, saying, "This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

Read the full statement online here.

Penn State Lehigh Valley students speak out about the scandal, according to this report on lehighvalleylive.com.

  • Was It The Right Decision To Fire Paterno and Spanier?

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Related Topics: Joe Paterno, Penn State Football, and Penn State Lehigh Valley
What do you think about Joe's retirement. Tell us in the comments.

dave saltzer

1:49 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Paterno learned of the incident and reported it to his bosses, one of which oversaw the police department, essentially making him the "chief of Police". is this not what you are supposed to do. He reported it immediately as the papers have said. What more was he supposed.

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S

2:31 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Seriously?! So you are the head of a football program (or a business, or a club, or any organization) and someone tells you that one of your staff is committing a despicable, horrible act. You "report" it and then wash your hands of it, never checking back to make sure the action has stopped??? Sandusky was not scalping tickets, selling autographs or memorabilia, or buying cars for recruits - behavior that is all too often overlooked in big-time sports programs. He was raping little boys. There's a big difference. Paterno should leave immediately - in disgrace - along with the AD and school president. This is outrageous, and inexcusable.

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Staberdearth

11:31 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Doing the legal thing is a minimum requirement. Doing the moral thing is the true measure of the person. Not doing the moral things is tantamount to tackling but not wrapping up.

careless fills

3:07 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

"s" is spot on.

Given the circumstances, Paterno shouldn't even be given the chance to resign, never mind retire. He is a bully himself, saying that "the board of trustees should waste a miniute considering my status" in his statement. That is exactly what they should be doing, and he has no say in the matter.

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Susie

10:53 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

So do you feel good about your comments! Joe did everything by the book! He is not a bully! He is a legend that will be missed!! Are you happy now that people like you took away his will to live. Do you think he needed to die!

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careless fills

9:01 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

My comments about bullying came right after I heard Paterno's 4 or 5 paragraph statement announcing his retirement at the end of the season that included one paragraph about how the B of T should not consider his status. If that isn't trying to force matters to your own conclusion, I don't know what is.

Paterno, in fact wasn't fired. He was still employed under his contract that expired after the end of the season, except he no longer was the coach. The B of T handled his situation as well as they could given the circumstances. It would have been an even bigger disaster, not only for the school, but for Paterno himself, if they let him stay on in the public eye. Even his attorneys kept him quiet afterwards.

An aggressive cancer (and the effects of chemo) took away Paterno. In fact, if he had served out the season, he might not have been treated for it until later than he was, but the result would almost certainly been the same.

grammax3

3:09 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

If you read the Grand Jury report you will find out that it was reported, it was followed up, and like dave saltzer said it was reported to the person who oversees the police department, who would be technically the "chief of police". What more could JoePa do? You are all on JoePa's case, what about Sandusky's family who allowed him to rape these boys in the basement bedroom of his own home? Where was Mrs Sandusky....she had to know what was going on.....yet she never reported it or tried to stop it.

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matt

3:44 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

are you out of your mind? what more could Paterno do? How about not allow that piece of sh!t anywhere near the university. How about telling someone that would actually listen and take action on the complaint. Tell anyone (state college pd, state police, etc). You mean to tell me that if Paterno made a bigger deal about this no one would listen to him? He IS penn state. His blatant disregard for this horrible incident allowed for more children to be molested, period!

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Susie

11:10 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

JoPa is a legend that will be missed!! Rest in Peace Joe!

careless fills

3:34 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Likewise, the game this weekend should be cancelled. It should not become a pep-rally for Paterno. He shouldn't be there if a game takes place, if there is one. But the game should be cancelled, in respect for the victims. The hurt to players on both teams is insignificant to damage doen to Sandusky's and Penn State's victims

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Becca Kahle

4:03 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

The game this weekend has nothing to do with Joe Paterno and EVERYTHING to do with the football players, especially the Seniors who had absolutely nothing to do with what's going on around them. This is the last home game for the team, Seniors will be announced and honored on the field. Fans should be there to support the players, Penn State Football is about the team, not Joe Paterno.

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careless fills

9:44 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

@Becca - the game does have a lot to do with Joe Paterno and there is no escaping that. It also has to do with the entire college and its employees, who failed all of us, not to mention the students, players, and alumni, who all chose to be associated with the institution. You are the people you choose to associate with, and this is no exception. Sometimes you end up suffering through little fault of your own because of associations you choose to make. At lot of people out of work today have learned that.

Two things might allow me to back off a little from my thought to cancel this week's game (and the rest of the season for that matter). The first is that Paterno AND SPANIER were fired. Add Paterno's statement that he wished he did more. Both of these are admissions that something was wrong and the entire institution was out of control.

This whole thing is more than just one instance of what a certain assistant coach saw and who he told it too; rather. It's about how 3 years before that, a similar incident was brushed under the carpet, and how the alleged perpurtrator made it through BOTH of those incidents and other obviously suspicious behavior. This perputrator, for a while was given virtually unlimited access to school facilities for more than a decade after he retired was eventually banned from bringing boys with him after just a couple years, but was still allowed in himself.

The riddance of Paterno may be just in time to save this unimportant game.

charles hampton

4:01 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

JoePa's huge ego will not allow him to do the right thing. It's up to the board of trustees to can him quickly!

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Susie

11:12 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Are you happy that a legend has died? He will be missed!! Rest in Peace JoePA

careless fills

4:17 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Furthermore, football is stupid.

Too many young men have had their health and lives ruined by pemanent injuries (including many that are mental, psycholgical, or social) that were suffered whilst playing this silly game.

All of the so called life lessons claimed by proponents of football would be better learnt through participation in a whole slew of other activities, including nearly any other sport!

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Pamela Porter

4:24 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

For those on the fence (and you Paterno apologists):

Here's an easy way to resolve it: If that little nameless boy was instead named Joey Paterno III - how do you think McQueary, Paterno & Spanier would have reacted? If you can say they would have done EXACTLY the same thing (no police/law ...enforcement/prosecution involvement), then maybe...just *maybe* they'd get a moral pass on this. But - I think it's extremely safe to say this would have gone down a LOT differently had that child been named Paterno. And therein lies the rub.

There's an expression made famous by Harry S Truman (someone even older than I am!) - "the buck stops here". That pulls Spanier into this - it happened on his watch. It also includes Paterno; he's the face and leader of Penn State football; you can't start underplaying his importance after years of behaving like he hung the moon.

As for McQueary - I hope he wonders about that little boy every single day of his life. While some of the victims are known (they're anonymous, of course, in the indictment), this particular little boy - the one McQueary saw Sandusky raping in the shower - is unknown. No one bothered to find out his name, so God only knows if he's gotten counseling or help or what. I hope McQueary remembers what he saw that day - AND DID NOTHING TO STOP! - and it haunts him forever.

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L

9:43 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Your first paragraph summarizes my thoughts exactly. When I heard some of my colleagues discussing this in the hallways today, I realized that those who have no kids are the ones who disagree with the firing and say that Paterno did everything he was supposed to do. I feel like asking them "What if it was YOUR kid?" Same goes for the rioting students who have no clue what it's like for your child to be hurt.

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Karen Bucanelli Tursi

9:51 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Pamela,,, you are absolutely right. Why isn't anyone making a move to fire McQueary? He SAW Sandusky raping that child in the shower and didn't go to the police. Ah,,,, the police. Tell my why the Centre County District Attorney at the time didn't prosecute? This was taken to the police and NOTHING was done? Can't ask the former DA now because he went missing and was declared dead in 2005. Imaging that!

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bob fimiano

4:30 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Pamela , after reading the grand jury report i was surpised to learn that a wrestling coach, a custodian, and a football asst.coach all witnessed Jerry Sandusky in the disgusting act of violating these young boys, they did what they thought was the right thing and reported what they saw to their supervisors, which is what coach Paterno did, the difference being is that he saw nothing,Does your perception about the coach, change now that you know this?

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Susie

11:14 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Get Real OLD TIMER!!! Rest in Peace Joe Paterno!! And most normal people would be happy if their last name was Paterno

Grant P. Nunn II

6:15 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Maybe leaving before the pot starts to boil?

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meripret

8:36 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Penn State Motto: "‎May no act of ours bring shame". Too late Joe. They should not allow him to retire. He should be fired. He and others failed to fulfill their moral obligations. It does not matter who he is, his record or football. They were aware of unspeakable acts and did not do anything. Mike McQueary should have intervened when he witnessed a 10 year old (supposedly) being raped by Sandusky. Paterno admitted that he didn’t do enough to prevent the (alleged) crimes. Really?
How many kids could have been spared? Joe Pa and others only had to do the right thing.

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a hall

10:26 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Another Paterno saying, " Don't do what's expected of you, do more.". He should have followed his own advice. He should be fired. Paterno, at State College, has more power than all of the police, the president of PSU, the board of trustees all put together. He could of taken care of this immediately. It's all about the business of football. Shameful.

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Z

10:37 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

This tragedy has really made me realize many of the people in this country are worring themselves with the wrong part of the issue. Many of you here are blaming Joe. This happened years ago, before Sandusky retired. Lay off Joe Pa, he did his best. Known of you who are commenting on this article ignorantly even know the full story. Penn State Fans everywhere are upset by this, and people like you posting negatively don't help. I support Joe I think he did what he could and for all you know he did follow up, but Sandusky, Curley, and Schultz all lied about what was going on. Joe Pa told the truth. Know your facts people. PSU Forever xoxo

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matt

11:08 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

stop drinking the blue kool aid. The man will go down in disgrace like he should. BTW i am psu grad 1997.

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Artie

7:56 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

I am not concerned for myself. I am concerned for these kids. Joe does not get a pass by simply informing his boss. He didn't do his best. He should have called the real police. Like Pa. State Police. He didn't! Remember error on the side of caution and ask for forgiveness later. Sorry to say he got what he deserved for his inaction.

Rich Schmidt II

12:17 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Paterno and the rest of them deserve everything they get and then some. It's disgusting to see and hear past & present students cheering for Joe. Keep on arresting and keep on firing ALL of them.

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matt

12:26 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

totally disgraceful behavior - to riot for this. embarrassing.

WRVinovskis

8:42 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Sadly, the point is moot. The Board of Trustees made the decision. This is a sad and tragic situation. Countless people have been hurt, including (what was left of) our innocence and wonder at Penn State. Here's a good reflection: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state

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Larry

9:37 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

If, in fact, Joe was aware of the level of abuse that was taking place, he deserves his punishment. If what he was aware of was that some goofing around that may have seemed inappropriate happened, his response was prudent. All of the facts are not in, so I will not disparage a man who has been loved and a hero to thousands of people during his career. Those that think they know all of the facts or just believe everything that they read through the media at this point, can just keep spouting their opinion. I pity them and the poor victims of this situation.

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careless fills

10:29 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011

If you read the 20 page long indictment papers by the grand jury, it says that the first known incidents occurred in 1998, and were eseentially swept under the rug by the administration since the only investigation was by the campus police. Other incidents, with other victims, occurred while Sandusky was still employed including at his last bowl game in Arizona in 1999, where it states that he had at least one boy travelling with him. Curiously, soon after that trip, Sandusky, the heir apparent to Paterno was told he would never become the head coach and he soon retired. But he contiured to be allowed unfettered access to Penn State footbal facilities, and the most infamous incident that was witnessed in the shower took place in 2002! Soon after that, he was banned from bringing kids with him to the facilities, but was allowed access himself until just last week!

It seems that there were at least two official actions by the university that each occurred after an apparent known act by Sandusky. 1) The change in his promotabilty and his subsequent retirement in 1999, 2) The change in who he could bring with him to Penn State facilities in 2002.

Who new what when? The fish rots from the head!

Andrew Wilt

3:08 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

I am puzzled by the uproar over the Penn State sex scandal. Certainly what happened is inexcusable and those involved, whoever they are, need to be dealt with properly. However, where is the outrage over the banking meltdown and the bank bailouts using trillions of OUR tax dollars? If only we as citizens were as concerned about our corporate controlled governments as we are about sports! Perhaps it really is about "bread and circuses" as it was in the Roman Empire.

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Upper Milford Lefty Righty

4:17 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

"where is the outrage over the banking meltdown and the bank bailouts using trillions of OUR tax dollars?"

hmm. Apparently you've missed the last 2 months worth of news about a little Street named "Wall" and the effort to "occupy" it. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/us/occupy-protest-roundup/index.html?iref=allsearch

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An interested bystander

4:51 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Another minor issue - the banks paid back the bailout money and the Federal Reserve earned a handsome profit. The losses in bailouts are going to be in auto, AIG and Fannie/Freddie.

Dana

3:21 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

I believe it is right to fire any person involved in this disgraceful act. Obviously not a one of them did 'enough' or this may have ended years ago and before the number of victims increased. What gets me is that people choose to defend Joe P because of who he is. Would you still defend him if this happened to your child? Sickening.

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Pamela Porter

4:38 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

@bob fimiano

Bob - no. I think they all should be terminated. I believe that everyone of them who knew anything that could have stopped Sandusky at the first opportunity, and failed to notify law enforcement, should be terminated.

I think this also speaks to a couple of other points:

the idolatry and ivory-tower status of college sports - most especially football. Believe me - I know it's not limited to Penn State. I am originally from Florida (Go, Gators) and the South (and West and everywhere else) has its share of sports worship to the point of insanity. Penn State football was more than just "football" - if I read correctly, that program brought something like $91 *MILLION* dollars a year to Penn State. That's not a football program - that's practically a Fortune 500 conglomerate. To say that Joe Paterno had "superiors" is to laugh. Do you really think that Paterno wasn't the walking example of the 500 pound gorilla?

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the insular world of college campuses. I'm sorry, but the law enforcement of the municipality where a school is located should have definite authority over campus cops - ESPECIALLY where felonies of any type are concerned.

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Chris DeFrain

11:22 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

I don't disagree with anything else you said BUT 91 million a year is no where close to a Fortune 500 conglomerate.

Frank Gadek

7:47 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

“ DO THE RIGHT THING IMMEDIATELY ! “

Penn State just did !

Now will the Catholic Church do it finally ?

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Mill

12:57 am on Friday, November 11, 2011

Gov. Tom Corbett was Pa. AG at the time this investigation was occuring.
He said it troubled him deeply the last 2 years knowing about this.
His mouth stayed shut also this whole time while Sandusky roamed free to continue in his sick ways.
Corbett is just as guilty of inaction, and his head should roll too!
Strange how quiet he's become on this whole matter!

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Pamela Porter

5:35 am on Friday, November 11, 2011

@Chris DeFrain - I said "practically", and was obviously reaching for hyperbole. That's a ginormous amount of $$$ for a university program to generate.

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Beth

9:58 am on Friday, November 11, 2011

Not to downplay the goings on at Penn State right now, but it's a sad day when all that is on the front page of the newspaper is content about the Penn State scandal and NOTHING (on the front page) about our wonderful Veteran's-really?

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Salisbury Resident

5:50 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

Too many commenters here who obviously did not read the report. Oh well...so much for informed opinions. Let's increase the lynch mob to fire Ziegenfuss too. He after all spent way too much of our tax dollars to provide a computer to our children that allows them to advertise themselves to potential predators! Yea, that's it. He knows, reported it and is walking free. Fire him too. Oh wait, he's not a football coach. Oh well, so much for my wishful thinking. I guess he will remain on the payroll.

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Don O'Leary

6:46 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

Has everyone forgotten about the being innocent until proven guilty! Those who have been charged with criminal wrongdoing should have been placed on suspention. Paterno has not been charged but seems to be guilty of "guilt by association". He reported what was, in effect, hearsay. He did NOT witness anything! If he had gone to any police department with what he "knew", he would have been open to charges of slander. Unfortunately, he was in a no-win situation. The legal process needs to run it's course and the whole story needs to come out before judgements are made. If someone reports suspected abuse, without proof, they and the organization they represent are open to lawsuits. How many careers have been destroyed by false charges... example Scott Austin at Penn State. Let history be the judge when people can look at the totality of a man's life and not just a single error in judgement.

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charles hampton

7:06 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

It was Austin Scott, and paterno was quick to kick him off the team when charges of rape were brought up. Those charges were subsequently dropped. If Jo poo had been as attentive to what his staff was doing, under his nose, this conversation wouldn't be taking place. How hypocritical!

glen

6:58 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

A single error in judgement. are you crazy. Little boys were entrusted to Jerry Sandusky and he repaid that trust with RAPING little defenseless boys. How did McQueary and Joe Paterna and every other weak, despicable and complicit cowards sleep at night. There is a God in heaven and the evil will be judged by God . These so called men football heroes they can not be considered men. Real men don't protect or ignore child rapists. Is there anyghing lower

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