How Do You Feel When Your Child’s Classmate Isn’t Immunized?
Health professionals say the number of young people not being vaccinated is leading to a world-wide resurgence of diseases like measles.
Moms Talk is a weekly feature on all Lehigh Valley Patches in which local parents, caregivers and other members of the community are invited to share opinions and advice on parenting issues.
This week’s Moms Talk topic relates to childhood immunizations:
The World Health Organization (WHO) says that a global rise in measles cases is due to not enough children being vaccinated – particularly those between the ages of 10 and 19. According to the WHO, as the number of unvaccinated children increases over time, something known as “herd immunity” is compromised, allowing the disease to rapidly spread among susceptible groups. When herd immunity is lost, those who are too young to be vaccinated are at greatest risk.
Reasons for skipping immunizations can be anything from religious beliefs to fear of the childhood vaccines triggering other diseases such as autism.
So, tell us what you think: Does it bother you when you know a child in your kid’s classroom, scout troop or soccer team has not been immunized?
Join the conversation. Each week our Moms Council members discuss these and other issues.
Our Moms Council members include:
- Lisa Amey of Upper Milford Township is a stay-at-home mom to an 8-year-old boy and a 5-year-old girl. A past president of the MOMS Club of Emmaus and longtime member of MOPs (Mothers of Preschoolers), Lisa is an Independent Consultant for Arbonne International.
- Lisa Drew of Emmaus is a certified nutritionist and personal trainer, wellness and fitness coach with more than 17 years of experience. She is the mother of a 13-year-old girl and a 9-year-old boy.
- Jennifer Elston of Emmaus has almost two decades of professional experience in child development and counseling. She is currently a stay-at-home mom to two beautiful girls. Together with her husband, Chris, she owns Christopher Elston Photography.
- Jeanne Lombardo of Nazareth is the mother of a 10-year-old boy and a 5-year-old girl. She’s new to the Lehigh Valley, having moved to Nazareth from Bergen County, NJ in January.
- Lisa Merk of Lower Macungie is a stay-at-home mother of four boys – a 12-year-old and 6-year-old triplets. Lisa is a past president of the MOMS Club of Lower Macungie East. In her “spare” time, Lisa teaches piano to school-age children.
- Megan Patruno of Allentown is a mother of three – an 11-year-old boy, an 8-year-old girl and a 6-year-old boy. Megan also works as an admission counselor at Muhlenberg College in Allentown.
- Zoila Bonilla Paul of Bethlehem is a stay-at-home mom to two girls – a 5-year-old and a 14-month-old. Zoila is a member of her local “moms’ club” and says she is “well-versed in the fun that children can bring.”
- Beth Sharpless of Emmaus works part time in a local emergency department as a nurse and part time from home as a customer support specialist. She has two children -- a boy who is almost 2 and a 5-year-old girl. She says they love spending time outdoors and dancing.
If you would like to become a part of the Moms Council and/or have ideas for future Moms Talk questions, please email jennifer.marangos@patch.com.
Jennifer Elston
3:31 pm on Sunday, October 2, 2011
Yes, it bothers me. Just think about the horrible diseases that could make a comeback!
Beth
3:38 pm on Sunday, October 2, 2011
I know that my children are immunized so as far as others' decisions not to immunize, that is up to them. I just hope they are well educated regarding the implications their decisions may have-for their own children and for others around them.
Kristi Rowe
4:31 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I wish I had educated myself BEFORE vaccinating my daughter. Once I researched and got informed is when I decided I would NOT put all those horrible things into our bodies. Too bad we learned so late. We are living with a lot of repercusions from vaccination damage in our family.
SS
3:48 pm on Sunday, October 2, 2011
What about the kids that ARE vaccinated and still end up with Measles or Chicken Pox or immigrants coming into this country from areas where many diseases we have successfully conquered run rampant? It's far too complicated to blame one thing/ group.
Molly
12:03 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I agree.
Terri Simpson
5:15 pm on Sunday, October 2, 2011
Autism comes to mind when discussing these issues that is why so many parents are afraid . The medical profession cannot say with 100 percent certainty that immunizations don't cause Autism. We have mercury going into those shots even a small amount is dangerous. If people realized what really went into some of these vaccines they might think twice.
Mom of DnNnD
12:43 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Please do some research and re-read all the information about immunization shots. The doctor (Dr. Wakefield) who first proclaimed that the MMR shot led to Autism was discredited and the study was retracted. It was also thought to cause autism because it was given at 18 months, soon after is when most children present with symptoms of autism. So parents mistakenly put the two together and assumed a link. New studies and information are coming out and have been published about how autism starts in the womb.
Kristi Rowe
4:33 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Not only can they not say with 100 percent certainty but I recently read an article by a retired researcher who gathered all the studies and came to the conclusion that about 70% fall on the side of it causing autism and 30% on the side of it not. Can not remember exact numbers but I remember it being right about there.
marie
9:31 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012
Why on earth should anyone believe the "medical community" any more??
Lisa Merk
8:13 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal (a mercury containing presevative) is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines.
I just don't understand why you wouldn't give you child every immunization possible. My children are protected as much as I can control. I cannot say why other people wouldn't give them that, but I guess that is there choice. It does bother me and like Jennifer Elston said some of these horrible diseases could make a comeback, why not eradicat them while we can? From a medical/tax payer standpoint, it cost far less to innocculate than it would to treat.
Kristi Rowe
4:39 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I wish it were that simple...it is not. Vaccinations can reek HAVOC on the health, particularly the immune system itself and the endocrine system. I took vaccinations that I had never had at the age of 31 so that I could go back to school to get my doctorate. I went from ROBUST health to being practically bedbound and landed in the hospital on multiple occasions. It took 13 years before I began functioning normally again. I'm still working on it but praising God they were not the end of me. And mercury is still in many shots. My daughter has tested...via lab as mercury poisoned. She has never had a mercury filling in her teeth...she has never lived near a coal burning power plant...she doesn't even eat seafood! She had no other exposure than those darn shots. They are now suspecting S.I.D.S. to be possibly related to vaccines and many forms of cancer and other diseases we think are so normal. I can't even BEGIN to tell you how dangerous your attitude is of pumping all that garbage into your child. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, for the sake of your children, READ AND RESEARCH. Vaccines are a MEDICAL PROCEEDURE with horrible consequences in many cases. And this new Gardisil vaccines? Over 100 young girls have DIED as a result of it!!!!
Katja Kruppe
1:17 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Kristi, you are spreading misinformation. 100's of young girls have not died. Indeed there were death cases but as with any adverse event, they are not 100% proven to be a direct result of having received the vaccination. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html
to quote " Deaths
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination."
Pat Vallese
8:47 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
The number of measles cases dropped over the last several decades to almost none in the U.S. and Canada. However, rates have started to rise again recently.
Some parents do not let their children get vaccinated because of unfounded fears that the MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, can cause autism. Large studies of thousands of children have found no connection between this vaccine and autism. Not vaccinating children can lead to outbreaks of a measles, mumps, and rubella -- all of which are potentially serious diseases of childhood. When it comes to the public welfare and its health, there can be no exceptions; but will some segments of the public resist?
LM Resident
9:11 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
It does not bother me that some people do not want to immunize their children. That is their choice and no school or gov't should force them into it if they have valid reasons for not immunizing, some being religious reasons. . As long as my children are immunized, I am ok with it.
However, it is very unfortunate that the children will have to suffer for their parents decisions.
Kristi Rowe
4:43 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
There are MANY children suffering from their parents choice to vaccinate. My daughter is one. It is HORRIBLE to live with the guilt. Wish I had waited until she was 18 and let her decide for herself what she wanted to do with her own body!
Lisa Amey
10:20 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
I do agree that it is the parents' decision on whether or not to immunize, but my concern is how it affects the health of your child’s friends and their families, classmates, neighbors, and community. Essentially, from what I have read they are a health threat to others, as well as themselves.
Missy Moyer-Schneck
11:11 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
The school districts require certain vaccinations in order to attend, if those vaccinations are not up to date, we as parents get the threatening letter in the mail stating you must vaccinate blah blah blah or your child cannot attend. So, if the required vaccinations are not done and your child is sitting next to mine, then yes, I have a problem, but if you are up to date...no issue here. My children are up to date on the vaccinations that are required by the district.
Salisbury Resident
11:15 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
Exactly Ms. Schneck. There are already rules and laws in place. I don't "feel" for this issue. Enforce what is already in place.
LM Resident
11:54 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
but if your child is up-to-date what is the problem? In Solehi you can have a medical exemption or a religious exemption for not getting immunizations. A child can still attend when one of these exemptions are met. You can find the form on the Solehi website.
Mom of DnNnD
12:50 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
This is actually a reply in your thread to LM Resident.
My child is up to date on his immunizations and I care because....kids without their immunixation shots put all kids at risk, including children too young to receive their vaccinations and those with immune system problems who can't be vaccinated. Also, vaccines are not 100% effective, so even if your kids are vaccinated, they may still be at risk if more kids around them don't get their vaccines.
Lisa Amey
1:10 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Public schools have requirements, but not all other schools do. I personally know several parents whose children never had one vaccination. Those kids either attend a private school or are homeschooled. These kids still have contact with my kids either in sports, church, or community events.
Lisa Amey
1:17 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Plus, we must remember preschools don't require them, nor do colleges or universities. There is plenty of opportunity for exposure at those ages as well.
Rosemary B
1:54 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
My children go to a private school and we certainly do get the threatening letters if we do not provide proof of immunization! Sometimes we get the letters even when we have given proof!
Kristi Rowe
4:44 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
You do NOT have to vaccinate in order to go to school. Check your local laws as to what constitutes an exemption. They vary from state to state.
marie
10:37 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012
The question is, "who" required them? Don't you feel at all questioning that you were left out of that process? You just go along with everything you hear about that is "required" ? I suppose digging deeper into that thought process is too much work for most of you.
Molly
11:58 am on Monday, October 3, 2011
How would you know if your child's classmate wasn't immunized? Unless I personally tell you, you would have no idea if my child had all, some, or no immunizations.
Molly
12:02 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
and no it doesn't bother me that a parent chooses not to vax their child . . . and no, I do not plan on telling anyone if my child has all, some, or no vaccines. That's between me and my child's dr.
LM Resident
12:03 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I totally agree with you.
Lisa Amey
1:19 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I think if there is an outbreak of something in school, kids without immunizations would definitely be advised to stay home and awareness might result from that.
Molly
3:05 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Unless the classmates went home and said "John didn't come to school today" and you knew that there was a flu outbreak, you *could* assume that 1) John had the flu 2) John was not vaccinated against the flu and chose to stay home or 3) John was on vacation. Both are assumptions - not awareness. Unless those parents *choose* to tell you, you are still making assumptions about another person's child and their family choices. Is that how parents communicate with school-age children? By assumptions and rumors?
Terri Simpson
12:08 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/elsner_b.html
Mom of DnNnD
1:04 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Article references Dr. Todd Elsner who is a CHIROPRACTOR. AND who was raised on holistic medicine. Not biased there, hmmm.
Terri Simpson
12:19 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/299509/vaccine_ingredients_do_you_know_what_pg2.html?cat=25
Terri Simpson
1:02 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
http://www.naturalnews.com/033399_vaccines_measles.html Not one Doctor or anyone for that fact can prove 100 percent that Autism is not caused by some vaccines. We were all told when we were younger to get vaccination our parents did that to us and so did I with my children they are Teens now if I could go back I would have thought twice there is much to say "wait a minute" do they really need all these shots. Evidence shows that many drugs that would appear has a "Miracle" now is banned every other month we hear on TV the horrors of what the drug companies have given people Our own Government lies about so much so are these the people we should just line up like sheeples and give them our children to experiment on. I think the Fear factor makes people do things without even a second thought we should always question and do our own due diligence before we take the word of people that are not worthy and for a fact have lied to the public over and over what makes anyone think that they would be honest about forced vaccinations Hmm I for one will not take them at there word.
Mom of DnNnD
1:09 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Ahh, I get it now...Conspiracy Theories. You keep at it.
marie
9:40 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012
Thank you for bringing that to people's attention- but then you have the knee-jerk non thinkers like "mom of DNDND" who have to slap the old, tired "conspiracy" label on people who explore and research the possibilities- information so easily found , so abundant, and supported by other medical doctors and nurses as well.
Mom of DnNnD
5:03 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012
Dear, dear dear marie. When someone can support their "theories" with real information, and not by hollistic and quack doctors, then I may think twice. Until then, my children are vaccinated, I am vaccinated and we are all healthy. Plus, the vaccinations we received are all time tested. I do not use any vaccinations that haven't been around long enough to be proven, such as Gardasil.
BTW, it is a conspiracy theory that doctors are secretly out to get you.
LM Resident
1:16 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I'll repost this for Lisa Amey: In Solehi you can have a medical exemption or a religious exemption for not getting immunizations. A child can still attend when one of these exemptions are met. You can find the form on the Solehi web site.
I know kids in public school that have these exemptions. If I know a few, I am sure there are many more.
Terri Simpson
1:21 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Yes I know that of course must be it when people can't really prove things. So what you are saying is that Government and pharm company's never lie and that there are just crazy parents that want to hurt there children and others. I for a fact have someone in my family that has Autism and other mentally devastating problems due medicine that the Pharm co said was safe to take and I know for a FACT I am not alone there are millions that have been hurt by these company's so there is no conspiracy theory here. I think any parent should question any vaccines any medicines and get has much information before they decide to put that in there body's.
Tracy Stauffer
1:23 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
As the mother of a child who has cancer and a compromised immune system, it bothers me that children are allowed in the public school system when they are not up-to-date on their immunizations. Parents simply have to sign a form saying that they choose not to immunize their children, and their kids can attend school. I know there are no un-immunized kids in my girls' classes because I asked the school nurse and specified that I do not want them to have un-immunized kids in their classes. Some people have asked why I do not just homeschool my younger daughter (who has cancer). She has missed out on so much in her life, and going to school is something she has always looked forward to ... and we just couldn't take that away from her. My personal opinion is that if your child is not up on their immunizations, they should not be allowed in PUBLIC school.
LM Resident
1:31 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
so sorry to hear of your daughter--it must be hard. I hope she is doing well at this point.
but I am surprised that the nurse was allowed to give you that information. that is a privacy issue and the nurse is probably not allowed to give the medical information of other students out.
Terri Simpson
1:45 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Just like your child has a compromised immune system so does that family member in our family she is sick everyday has had Open Heart surgery at 10 days old has Autism and DeGeorge syndrome and juvenile arthritis has had so many operations she has her shots The pharm co did this to her so I don't put much stock in all of the vaccines and medicines they want to give our children Its tripled since we have been kids and no person can tell me that Autism is not from vaccinations. It's very personal but there is 2 sides to everything . I believe we need to really investigate and research before we give our children any drugs or vaccines.Everyday our family will have to deal with the mistake the doctors and Pharm did to our precious angel.I pray for your child that she will be 100 well and I respect your opinion
LM Resident
1:49 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
just saw this article on msnbc.com
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44755094/ns/health-childrens_health/
Kristi Rowe
4:52 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Just saw a report yesterday that said the 3 most vaccinated countries in the world have the highest degree of certain horrible diseases...I remember Cancer being one of those 3. Sanitation and water purification actually went farther to erradicate diseases than anything. I only ask one thing....AT LEAST KNOW THE INGREDIENTS they are putting in your childs body. I've never found anyone who supports vaccines who knew. But I do. Wish I hadn't learned about it all after the fact. WORST MISTAKE I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE.
Kristi Rowe
5:00 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
After leaving several comments and realizing how much time I spend trying to warn people of the dangers of vaccines, I saw this post by one of my facebook friends on my facebook wall.....it is so perfect....."While going through my day, determining where I could make cuts to other activities so I can focus on Noah, I realized I devote quite a bit of time to phone calls, emails and facebook-ing with folks who have questions about vaccine science and legislation. If you are going to open ...a conversation with me by saying, "I just don't think vaccines cause autism..." I am sorry to say I will not be available to speak with you. This opening tells me you are uneducated on this topic and incapable of understanding the depth and breadth of microbial and metabolic science that is currently being performed in research facilities around the globe. I keep company with New York Time's best selling authors, Harvard professors, John's Hopkins graduates, world renown educators, scientists, journalists, and doctors. Not intended to offend, I simply do not desire to waste any more time convincing others of the dangers of the current vaccine schedule. I hope you can understand and you will perform the necessary research required to spare your child. Best,"
Stacey MacDougall
5:15 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
there is a new study implicating autism to poor gut flora in the mothers gut, passing this on to the baby, autism shows up around 1 year old in formula fed babies and around age 2 in breast fed babies. I am anti vac for many more reasons than the autism debate,
Kristi Rowe
5:22 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I learned too late that my family could not take the MMR. My daughter and I took shots about the same time and we both had devastating results. It is only then I learned that my mom also took the MMR when she was an adult and it left her sterile. I think in our family, there was a genetic factor combined with the environmental trigger (the MMR shot). Three generations suffereing horribly after the MMR shot. Coincidence? And as noted above, my daughter also tested as mercury poisoned from all the mercury in the shots (no other exposure). So in our case the autism had nothing to do with gut flora. However, there are lots of studies showing how badly the gut gets messed up AFTER shots. Chicken and egg thing?
Stacey MacDougall
5:21 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
watch this, Lethal Injection The Story of Vaccination http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hITYIT02rA
Bobbie
5:34 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
I've always found that this debate brings up alot of strong feelings. Best friends can look at each other with that " are you crazy?" look on their face because we don't realize the way our close friends and neighbors even feel about this topic... And it's an extremely important issue. I am on the side of the vaccinated and I don't really agree with the herd immunity theory. I've read Arthur Allen's book titled "Vaccine" and find it to be an interesting look at the history of vaccines. Warning: He states in the beginning of the book that he does have his own personal agenda, however he does a good job, I believe, at remaining unbiased retelling the history of vaccines.
Molly
10:49 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I agree and Allen's book is very good. You have a constructive opinion - Thank you!
Kristi Rowe
6:37 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
Here's a good fact to start with. The blood brain barrier which acts like a protective filter around the brain isn't even fully developed until a child is one year old. Their little bodies should be protected from all foreign antibodies as much as possible in that first year, not assaulted with toxins.
Terri Simpson
7:38 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011
For all that have children that have no problems God Bless BUT there are many of us that know for a fact what the Big Pharm co and Doctors and Government have done and they do it in the name of fear and guilt. There is very big money in vaccines do you really think these people do it for nothing. The ugly truth is they don't care if some get hurt in the name of money and that is a fact. How many times do people have to see the lawsuits on TV on many drugs did you ever listen to the pretty voice that says may cause,,,,,,, nobody listens they have so much money you will never be able to fight them to shut them down only left is hurt people and devastation parents don't just take there word for it that it is safe don't be fearful just because some doctor says it's true or false does not make it gold don't be that small chance!
Rose Roberts
12:12 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I have no problem with parents not wanting to vaccinate their children. However, those children should *NOT* be permitted to attend public school. Every time a parent fills out an exemption form, the law is circumvented. I have to wear a shirt and shoes to get into McDonald's, but I can just say "no thanks" to the vaccine law and walk right in to public school. I'm sorry, but my child should not be put at risk because of your beliefs. Perhaps the anti-vac crowd should get together and start their own school somewhere.
Missy Moyer-Schneck
8:20 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I'm with Rose on this one, my kids are vaccinated, they have had no issues, I'm sorry that some of you have, but I think your in the minority and those that refuse to vaccinate and put my kids at risk are my concern. Maybe the charter schools need to form one for unvaccinated kids.....just a thought.
Rose Roberts
10:46 am on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Michele, you are absolutely incorrect and need to be educated on how vaccines work. No vaccine is 100% effective--ask anyone who has had the flu after getting a flu shot. My child IS at risk because the non-vaccinated children bring the disease into the school. For example, my child attended a story hour at the public library where unvaccinated children brought whooping cough into the environment. Every parent had to be contacted because their children, vaccinated or not, were then at risk. My child is put in danger when people are circumventing the law. It has nothing to do with intolerance and it is completely different from denying a child with AIDS. AIDS in not a choice. NOT vaccinating your child is. Please devise a more cogent argument before accusing people of being intolerant. And why is there a vaccine law for public schools at all if we are not going to enforce it?
LM Resident
10:59 am on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
....and my child should not be put at risk for your beliefs, either. (by being forced to vaccinate) You can say 'no thanks' to the vaccine law because it's not really a law. It's a requirement that the government run schools are trying to make you believe is a law.
Rose Roberts
12:29 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
LM Resident: This is why I suggest that you start your own school. You can then be free of the tyranny of the government-run schools. Everyone wins.
Rosemary B
4:09 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Another great argument for School Choice!
Kristi Rowe
10:10 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
George, you are not adding a single fact to this conversation. You are only throwing around insults. I am only trying to make people aware of the facts of vaccine injury so that others do not have to suffer what we have had to. After being horribly sick for THIRTEEN YEARS, while trying to care for a child with autism at the same time and then adding caring for my Mom who had 3 strokes, I AM WHO YOU WANT TO INSULT? And by the way, I had to do all this alone as my ex left as soon as our daughter was diagnosed with autism. For years he would call and talk to me yet refuse to talk to her. All of you who are cruel this way, weather it be the abandonment of a handicapped child or the cowardice of insulting strangers on the computer (GEORGE), shame on you! YOU insult US??? How about using your time constructively and helpfully instead of hurting other people. But let me address your insults...the first, that I am 'edumactaed"...yes I am George...I have degrees all the way through Jurist Doctorate. And as for me knowing more than the leading experts in the field. News Flash....parents are the NUMBER ONE experts in this field. The medical community who follow the "vaccines don't cause autism" theory HAVE NOT CURED ONE SINGLE CHILD OF AUTISM, HOWEVER, THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN RECOVERED BY PARENTS WHO TREAT THEIR CHILDREN FOR VACCINE DAMAGE. WE SPEND HOURS AND HOURS, DAY AFTER DAY, MONTH AFTER MONTH staying more on top of every scientific study, more than the drs.
Kristi Rowe
10:19 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Here's a parable for you George, There were 2 fueding tribes...one at the top of a seemingly insurmountable cliff and one at the bottom. The tribe at the top were horrid and cruel. One evening, when everyone was asleep, somehow a member at the top, snuck down the cliff and stole a baby from the tribe at the bottom. When it was discovered the next morning, the tribe at the bottom had meetings to decide what to do. They did not know how to reach the tribe at the top and lamented at how long it would take as they built a path there. They fussed all day at what method they should use. That evening, while they were having another meeting on the matter, the mother of the stolen child walked in carrying her baby. She had already made it to the cliff, found a way to recover her child and made it back home. When they asked her how she did it she simply replied "It wasn't your child". Yes, George, parents are the ones making the most headway. We are the only ones who have recovered children and while the medical communities continue to talk it over and deny the emergency and the cause, we will be the ones who save our children when possible. No one has a bigger stake, no one cares more than we do, no one feels the urgency more, no one invests of themselves more than the parents.
Terri Simpson
11:16 am on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAXIxi4Ys5w
Terri Simpson
11:17 am on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
http://www.blissplan.com/wellness/vaccination-risks/
Kristi Rowe
3:03 pm on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
A few wrote how the unvaccinated children put the vaccinated children at risk. HOWEVER The other side of that coin is that the vaccinated children put UNVACCINATED children at risk as well (maybe more so). It's my understanding that when you get a shot, you will "viral shed" for 3 weeks and people around you can get sick as a result. This is new info to me and I hope to read more about it. But consider the flu nasal mist which is a live virus! All they have to do is sneeze or rub their nose and touch door knobs, etc. and make people around them sick. My mom, to my dismay, gets the flu shot and EVERYTIME immediately gets sick. We have to keep a distance. I.E....the VACCINATED spreading sickness. My daughter used to go to public school. She caught everything that went around and STAYED SICK ALL THE TIME (she's regrettably vaccinated) and then would bring it home to me. Now that we homeschool she almost NEVER EVER gets sick (and thus I don't either). She still goes to church, eats out, shops, goes to dance class, etc. but stays well. So maybe just hearding our kids in closed rooms 7 hours a day is a bigger risk for catching and passing things around than worrying about the few who are unvaccinated. ALL the kids in my daughters class were vaccinated yet caught everything and passed everything. I know this b/c the secretary said they had never gotten a vaccine waiver.
Beth
3:26 pm on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
It must be an irony that your mom gets sick everytime she gets the flu shot because it is not a live virus. Simple viruses and colds are not a threat to the general public and don't usually cause life long complications like polio or mumps. These common viruses actually help build childrens' immunity for the future.
Kristi Rowe
3:36 pm on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Respectfully, I have read just the opposite Beth, that the LESS people are exposed to viruses, the healthier they are. I guess it's just all who you listen to. I do realize that the virus in my mom's shot is inactive but the shots themselves are difficult on the immune system. Perhaps being compromised in dealing with that shot makes her vulernable to catching and coming down with things she normally would shake? Not sure, I've wondered the same thing...all I know for sure is that she ALWAYS gets sick after the shot and I've heard others say the same things. Also, "simple colds and viruses' are not so simple for everyone. When chiildren with autism get sick, they stay sick WAY longer than the normal population. My daughter can fight for a month with a simple cold that other kids shake. I got VERY upset when other mom's sent their kids to school saying "it's just a snuffy nose and a little sore throat". It always turned into more with my child and on at least 2 occassions, those 'simple colds and viruses' turned into emergency room visits for my daughter.
Beth
3:48 pm on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
I am sorry to hear that your daughter stays sicker longer, I am sure that is difficult for everyone. On a personal note (as far as exposure goes), I work in an Emergency Department, my husband in a school, and both of our children go to daycare. I can count on one hand how often my husband and I are sick (combined) in any given year. My daughter gets sick even less. My son has had some reactive airway disease, but for the most part (besides that), he is a healthy little boy. So, with each viral exposure, some immunity to that is happening.
Molly
6:12 pm on Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Tolerance
1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
2. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
3. interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc., foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.
4. the act or capacity of enduring; endurance: My tolerance of noise is limited.
It is a sad day when people in your own community lack tolerance for other people's beliefs. When you advocate denying children access to school because of their parents beliefs, you are being intolerant. Vaxing your children is not a law, its a policy that has exclusions.
This article is a prime example of why we have the HIPPA law - to prevent intolerant people from excluding others on the basis of their medical beliefs, decisions, and aliments. Your beliefs should not be my law. My beliefs should not be your law.
Tolerance. Let's teach it to our children, and just maybe "articles" like this will be far and few between in the future. God bless you all.
Rose Roberts
12:35 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I am not intolerant of your beliefs. I support your freedom to have them. You can kiss a witch at noon on Tuesday, and I don't really care. You can dance naked under a full moon; good for you! You can tell the school that your child won't be studying math. That's A-OK with me. However, I do not support your freedom to put my child at risk. That is where your freedom ends. You don't seem to understand that. I did not devise the vaccination regulations, but they do exist. You are choosing not to follow them, and in my opinion, that means that you should opt-out of public schooling. You do not have to have the vaccines, but you also do not have to attend the school which has those regulations. If you're going to make the choice, follow through with it all the way.
Rosemary B
4:17 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Rose, if you do not like the fact that a few kids are not vaccinated then maybe you should opt out of public schooling.
Kristi Rowe
9:45 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
Rose's suggestion doesn't offend me. I actually think it would be GREAT to have a school for unvaccinated children. I recently read a study that compared the health of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children; one of the first of it's kind. The unvaccinated children proved healthier on every single health condition they tested for (some by FAR) so I think it would be a healthier environment. And just today I read about a school with an outbreak of measles when the school had a 100 percent vaccinated population against measles. Vaccines aren't a guareentee you won't get the disease. As a matter of fact look at the flu shot insert...right there in black and white it says there are no safety studies done on that shot and no guarantee you won't get the flu because you take the flu shot. hmmmm no safety studies...no guarentee of effectiveness yet in return for that ringing endorsement they ask us to shoot into our children mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, msg, etc (a list of common ingredients found in most vaccines according to the CDC's own website). I will add, the government should pay for that hypothetical school just like all other schools they fund. First b/c we pay property taxes and any other taxes that go to support schools and secondly because if they are going to be the one to REQUIRE attendance (truancy laws) then they shouldn't make it to where we are forced to inject these ingredients into our children in order to be compliant.
Beth
10:33 am on Thursday, October 6, 2011
I have to say, this discussion (and all the studies I have looked up ) have enlightened me. I do however question how these studies can find causation of these illnesses when there are so many other environmental elements in a childs life...what do they eat, what did the mother ingest during pregnancy, where do they live, etc.? I don't know if it'd be even possible to perform such a controlled study. If so, I'd be really interested in the findings then. In addition to that, today, there is so much more awareness of these illnesses and I think that has to be taken into consideration as well.
And, just a note as to why folks still get the "flu" after having the flu shot. The flu shot is changed according to kind of virus that is out there that year. There are so many different strains, that it'd be impossible to account for all of them in one shot. And, unless someone actually gets tested for influenzae, one doesn't really know if it's the "flu" or another organism.
marie
9:37 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012
It bothers me far, far more that we would accept and live in a country wherein vaccines are forced upon the populace, without choice, as we now see in WV and Mississippi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MPqnV4Md7o. It bothers me that parents have abdicated their responsibility for their children's health and future through wholesome diet and lifestyle choices by giving over their power to the medical and big pharma industry like sheep. It bothers me that the people who opt out of vaccination have healthier more robust families than the ones who run out for every pill and shot. It bothers me we are living in an increasingly ignorant and controlled and fear-mongered social order.
blue
10:11 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012
I want to thank all those who are against forced/required vaccinations, for speaking up and trying to open the eyes of the majority. The majority who seemingly puts so much faith in big business, and who literally trusts big business and those in control, with their health/lives...and the lives of their own children. I used to speak up as well, but it is so draining that I've had to stop.
Terri Simpson
5:59 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012
It's very interesting to hear some mock parents that want "CHOICE" forced anything I believe happens in communist country's you know for the good of the people. I have to say over the last 20 yrs we have seen 100's of lawsuits on medications surgery's that have gone awry you know those trusting medical doctors and pharmaceutical company's. Millions trusted those drugs and got very sick or died. These were drugs that were tested over and over YET they made millions for big Pharm it is no conspiratorial mindset these are facts. It's about time parents were involved and stopped the sheeple mentality and researched and made there own decisions on what they want. Government has lied to the extreme to get everyone to fall in line. Stop letting your child be a experiment. I personally believe Autism has something to do with vaccinations.
Kristi Rowe
6:46 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012
Sadly many parents just dont' want to research. Lazy parenting. It's easier to just turn their kids over to another with the excuse "Hey, I didn't go to med school, I can't possibly know more than they do." WRONG. My nephew will graduate med school soon and I talked with him at length about vaccinations over the holidays. They are taught almost nothing about them except "they're safe". Those of us who study and research are the ones who reject the vaccines due to the ingredients, lack of safety studies, and the reported and experienced injuries.